Lynx, IB: Migrácia z IBUK na IBCE

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Dík long. Dnes mi už došla trpezlivosť a napísal som im internal ticket. Stále trčím v UK a neviem čo chcú.
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JUGGLER napísal: Pi 15 01, 2021 3:31 pm Dík long. Dnes mi už došla trpezlivosť a napísal som im internal ticket. Stále trčím v UK a neviem čo chcú.
A muzes zatim obchodovat na starem IBUK uctu? Ja nezaregistroval zadny vypadek, ani PM, ani AM.
Vecer IBUK, rano IBCE.
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Môžem, ale nemám čo. Ja mám F@F účet. Z master účtu trejdím viac účtov. Všetky účty sú v HU, ale nedostupné, lebo master ostal v UK.
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JUGGLER napísal: Pi 15 01, 2021 8:21 pm Môžem, ale nemám čo. Ja mám F@F účet. Z master účtu trejdím viac účtov. Všetky účty sú v HU, ale nedostupné, lebo master ostal v UK.
To je sht, drzim palec at sa vyriesi coskoro. Cez tiket vetsinou reaguji celkem dobre, aj ked - pred mesicem jsem potreboval nahrat novou obcanku a pas, resil jsem to tyzden a pol s nimi. Napred mi zmenili jen jeden z dokladu, po urgencii aj druhy, no zase nechali staru expiraciu 🤷‍♂️
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Ma tu niekto skusenosti, alebo aky mate nazor na etoro.
Vyzera to dost komercne, fakt netusim ako ich odhadnut.
Zaujalo ma to kvoli ETF ktore tam vraj idu, na rozdiel od IB co bolo pre mna dost obmedzujuce.

inak tiez idem do IBCE, po dlhom mlcani, uz som si myslel ze na mna zabudli a nechaju ma v IBUK :) sa dnes ozvali ze uz som v prechode a mozem akurat vyberat alebo vkladat peniaze. Tak usom zvedavy ci budem v pondelok ready.
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zdravím, ta informácia ze uz migrujete vam prisla iba do účtu po prihlaseni alebo aj priamo emailom?
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eToro je podla vsetkeho safe /relativne, ako vsetky podobne subjekty/
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mne aj na email aj na ucet
Nie je to vsak ze uz migruje

Su to typicke zastrsovacie emaily: If you refuse to respond we may close your account.
Ja si myslim ze nemaju autority zavriet taak strasia ako sa da.

Ja asi zmigrujem , nemozem si dovolit koli daniam aby mi to kreteni zlikvidovali,
Uz to nema vyznam tahat...

Ja si otvaram ucet v tastyworks a ponecham si aj v IBCE
V tastywork budem mat long term akcie
V IBCE budem robit trading ,hlavne koli nizkej margin rate.

Len zistujem ci mozem premigrovat UCITS do tasty. cakam na support.
Pokial nemozem premigrovat UCITS do tasty , premigrujem do IBCE a predam v aprili UCITS (rocny test) a zmigrujem potom .

Ucet v tasty otvorim tak ci tak a vsetky moje nove $ pojde rovno do USA.
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Uvidime ci im budu chybat EU investory . Dufam ze vedenie IBUK sa spamata a da normalnu poistku.
A tastyworks,,bude aj tak docasne,,,skor alebo neskor sa do nich niekto obuje.
Uz teraz tam ide kopu ludi ...
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Silno pochybujem ze ti mozu zatvorit pozicie len skrz jejich vymysleny branch transfer, no nechcem ti zle poradit a uz vobec ne zpusobit ztratu 🤷‍♂️

Inac ozaj, tie maily su take zastrasujuce, som asi prilis konzervativny no cakal by som v brokerovi partaka na business a nie niekoho, kdo te bude sikanovat a tlacit.
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tak spravaju sa k EU ako k odpadu . Kto vie ci blafuju,,ked to spravia?
Ja som nakupil tooh vela v marci 2020,,,

Vyckavam do posledneho konca...stale som to nespravil...myslim ze nas tu uz vela neostavalo co nezmigrovali,mam pocit ze 95% uz presla
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Mna tiez migruju do IBCE. Dnes nad ranom prisiel mail, ze ma nemozu zmigrovat, lebo mam long poziciu v inej mene ako su podporovane. :palec_dole:
IBCE can only support deposits (long balances) in the following currencies at present. We expect to add support for additional currencies in the coming months. The currently supported list is: EUR, USD, HUF, CZK, PLN. We expect to add CHF, GBP within a few weeks, and thereafter key Asia-Pacific currencies.
Co ale s akciami ktore drzim v nepodporovanej mene?

Cele je to komedia zo strany IB. Revolut aj Trading 212 a mozno aj dalsi dovoluju europanom vyuzivat britsku ochranu FCA, len IB sa rozhodlo, ze nie.
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hokaido napísal: So 16 01, 2021 1:01 pm Mna tiez migruju do IBCE. Dnes nad ranom prisiel mail, ze ma nemozu zmigrovat, lebo mam long poziciu v inej mene ako su podporovane. :palec_dole:



Co ale s akciami ktore drzim v nepodporovanej mene?

Cele je to komedia zo strany IB. Revolut aj Trading 212 a mozno aj dalsi dovoluju europanom vyuzivat britsku ochranu FCA, len IB sa rozhodlo, ze nie.
takze ja mam zatvorit moje CAD pozicie a vyplatit obrovsku dan ,lebo mam akcie iba 10mes.
to je nehoraznost toto, nech idu do riti
to je ich problem
to kazdy den nejake prekvapenie z ich strany
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Mate moju moralnu podporu, no ozaj - mesiac a pol som riesil len noveho brokera a presun, nemam v umysle je zalovat za usly zisk no stranu druhu ani nemam duvod jim vychazet vstric a odsouhlasit jim ten account transfer, nech sa ukazu ci to ozaj myslia vazne a legalne mozu zatvorit ucet / zlikvidovat pozicie. Uz jen z principu nemam dovod s nimi pokracovat dalej, aj ked maju super pokryte trhy a vynikajuce margin rates.
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Emeight

Ja so si myslel ze si uz premigroval do tasty ?
Ci si si len utvoril novy ucet u nich
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jan7925 napísal: So 16 01, 2021 1:09 pm takze ja mam zatvorit moje CAD pozicie a vyplatit obrovsku dan ,lebo mam akcie iba 10mes.
V maily pisali iba o mene. Budem im vsak este pisat co s akciami a v mojom pripade este tam mam aj opcie s expiraciou az v 2022. Hlavne ma zaujima co sa stane, ak v IBCE predam akcie v nepodporovanej mene? Prevedu sa do base currency?

Normalne rozmyslam, ze si zalozim ucet v Lynxe a tam presuniem nepodporovane veci (To by mohlo fungovat). Povodne som chcel v Tradestation Global, ale ti uz neberu EU rezidentov. A asi rovno zalozim aj tastyworks ucet a tam zase presuniem pozicie v USD, kym to este ide z IB UK.

Je mi z toho zle. Musim teraz riesit taketo hovadiny lebo sa IB tak rozhodlo. IB EU je uz asi len pre traderov, s cim su oni v poho, ked z toho maju ryzu.

Prikladam este cely mail, co ked to nie je take cierne ako som pisal
IBCE does have certain restrictions on the types of investment products and currencies it can support. We request you to examine your portfolio to ensure you do not carry any unsupported assets in your portfolio, and if you do, take steps to close them out at the earliest opportunity to avoid delays in migrating your account. Client portfolios holding unsupported currencies or positions cannot be transferred to IBCE and may result in a closing-only status in the current account at IBLLC/IBKR-UK.

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Uz som kompletne premigrovany do Tastyworks, cash, akcie i short opcie. IBUK ucet nechavam prazdny a oficialne nie som rozhodnuty, znam osobne dva, kteri si nechavaji ucet v IBUK skutecne az do posledni chvile - jen podle nich pak budu moct overit, ci budu likvidovat pozicie, predsa len moj prazdny ucet zatvoria lahko.
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Aha,tak to som nevedel ,ze mozem presunut akcie ,alebo cast akcii a stale si ponechat ucet.
V mojom pripade by to asi neslo uplne ,kedze mam okolo 20% akcii na margin
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Tak isto ,ten presun do lynxu je dobry napad , namiesto platenia dani z CAD akcii
Ja sa cudujem ze si to necha zapadna EU , takto so sebou zamatat...
Ved presda maju vacsi kapital a verim ze viac nemcov robi na burze ako ludi z vychodnej EU
Ze si to nemci nechaju ...my slovaci nemame cisla na to , ani sumy na to aby sme cokolvek vybojovali.
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jan7925 napísal: So 16 01, 2021 2:11 pm Tak isto ,ten presun do lynxu je dobry napad , namiesto platenia dani z CAD akcii
Do Lynxu nic nepresuniem, stale neotvaraju nove ucty kvoli brexitu.
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TradeStation Global rovnako neotvara, hladeji zpusob no aktualne ucet neotevrou.
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Dobry den vospolok,
mal by som v ramci Lynx zmigrovat do IBEU Ireland, sucastou coho je treba suhlasit/zobrat na vedomie dalsich 19 ??? dokumentov/zmluv, medzi nimi je aj Global Financial Information Services Subscriber Agreement. U LynxBroker-a nemam predplatene live data a nemam o ne zaujem. Rozumiem tomu spravne, ze suhlasom s touto zmluvou sa zavazujem k odoberaniu tychto dat za poplatok? Chape tejto zmluve niekto na fore rovnako?
Dakujem za vas nazor.
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Postnes sem, co je v tej zmluve? Na webe Lynxu je toto:

"Predplatné trhových dát
Ak ste boli prihlásení na odber živých dát, spravodajských služieb alebo iných údajov, zostanú tieto odbery aktívne aj po prechode vášho účtu."

Pochybujem, ze si to ludia cele precitaju a ak by im Lynx/IB len tak pri uz aj tak chaotickej migracii zapli a spoplatnili data, tak si to aj tak zrusia a iba ich naseru.
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nenasiel som ze by to bolo povinne, kde to ma byt uvedene?
https://www.lynxbroker.com/media/doc/IB ... NT_ENG.pdf
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je to uz na konci, ked by som to mal cele "podpisat" svojim menom a priezviskom, vyzera ako ten dokument na ktory odkazuje Trumpeta1978:
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tiez som si vsimol, ze v tom lynx video navode (https://youtu.be/QFZ2t7ZC0Ek) k migracii uctu maju "len" 15 dokumentov/zmluv, avsak ja ich tam mam 19, samozrejme okrem tych, ktore su na uplne prvej strane, vid priloha
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cize mne z toho vychadza, ze ked musim dat suhlas en bloc k vsetkym dohromady 20+ dokumentom, tak musim suhlasit aj s tymto.
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mne to z toho uplne jasne stale nie je, bolo by najlepsie sa na to spytat na helpdesku
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https://ibkr.info/node/2830

je tu niekto koho uz Lynx zmigroval z UK do IRL?
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IBKR offers eligible clients the option of receiving a real-time price quote for a single instrument on a request basis.
z tohto to nevyzera ze by predplatné real time dát bolo povinné
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jasne ze to nie je povinne
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poslal som vcera mail na support lynxbroker.

ale aha, ok, pozrel som sa aj ja do mojich nezmigrovanych lynx/ib user_setttings ako pise george1, mam tam GFIS Global subscriptions akurat, tak to vyzera v poriadku potom s tou GFIS subscriber agreement. Ani som nevedel, ze tam mam prave GFIS, vdaka :)
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Lynx tu trocha detailnejsie zhrnul zmeny ktore sa tykaju ochrany uctu po migracii :

https://www.lynxbroker.sk/brexit-migrac ... uctu-ibie/

Ak som tomu spravne pochopil nase investicie su ulozene u rovnakych depozitarov ako aj pod IBUK, v pripade hroziaceho bankrotu IBIE je tam naznacene ze IBKR pomoze svojimi 8,5 miliardami USD ktore ma ako vlastny kapital. A kedze pouzivame rovnaku platformu na zadavanie prikazov, assety su u rovnakych depozitarov nedokazem si predstavit ako by mohlo dojst k podvodu len zo strany IBIE. Ak by sa cely IBKR ukazal ako jeden obrovsky podvod tak by som bol zvedavy ako SIPC so svojimi par miliardami pokryje 232 miliard ktore su pod spravou IBKR
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"v pripade hroziaceho bankrotu IBIE je tam naznacene ze IBKR pomoze svojimi 8,5 miliardami USD ktore ma ako vlastny kapital."

To je ale iba nazor LYNXU
Nechapem ako si moze LYNX dovolit napisat taku blbost.
LYNX pise co im pasuje aby ukludnil klientov
LYNX napise ze IBIE nema z pravneho hladiska nic spolocne s IBUK a hned k tomu dopise ,ze ich zachrania.
Na to aby to bola pravda to by musel povedat IBUK a musel by si to podpisat aby to bolo platne.

IBUK vobec nemusi zachranit EU pobocky . Ked IBUK zisti ze robit biznis v EU je extremne tazke , tak ich pusti dole vodou a sustredi sa na trh kde su britske firmy vytane. Bude ale zalezat co sa stalo , co sposobili bankrot, ci to bol podvod alebo pomale konanie regulatorov alebo EU zakony ktore znemoznovali efektivne riadit EU pobocky.

Uz teraz je vidiet ako sa IBUK agresivne sprava ku svojim EU klientom. Ich emaily s migraciou su stale zastrasujuce a ich pozuzivanie slov : " MAYBE, WE MAY CONCIDER, YOU MAY NOT" uz ide na nervy ....Nech napisu WILL alebo shall a nie MAY.
Neverte LYNX a ich bludom , keby IBUK zalezalo na EU klientom dali by Lloyd insurance aspon.
IBUK vie co robi a dobre vidi ako sa EU k nim chova a uvedumoje si ten obrovsky risk ,ani nie tak zo strany interneych pracovnikov z hladiska podvodu ale zo strany EU politikov. Tam podla mna vidi IBUK nestabilitu a preto nedali extra zaruky ani poistenia.
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Jenina istota lezi v tom , kde su zapisanae akcie kupene cez IB EU . Pokial su ozaj zapisane v tej istej banke aku ma IBUK tam aspon to dava pocit bezpecia.
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a kto z vas si otvaral ucet v Lynx/IB s tym ze ste vedeli ze to bude vedene v UK s nejakymi UK garanciami? Dosazitelnost slovaka na tieto garancie bola ajtak iba teoreticka tak sa moc nevzrusujte. Moc lepsich brokerov ako IB na svete nenajdete takze ziadnu paniku.
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Preco by mala byt dolezistost iba teoreticka?
Ked som si vyberal brokera pred asi 10-15 rokmi , tak ma zuijimali 2 veci
1) poplatky
2) poistka

Precitaj si celu diskusiu o migracii, uz sme na 7.strane, a kazdeho zaujima prevazne jedina vec a to garancia vysky vkladu.
SUhlasim s tebou s jednym : Lepsieho brokera ako IBUK asi niet , ale to sa neda povedat o IBIE a IBCE
IB EU nie su pobockami ale dcerami . To je obrovsky rozdiel . Takze z pohladu EU rezidentov , uplne novy broker ktory dostava technicku podporu od IBUK ale obsolutne ziadne financnu garanciu pre EU residentov od IBUK zatial nedostal.

Pozri si tastyworks tread, vela ludi tam migruje prave koli SIPC
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jogo napísal: Ut 05 01, 2021 8:53 am Dostal som zaujímavú informáciu. Klienti LYNXU boli migrovaný do IBIE a klienti priamo u IB boli migrovaní do IBCE. Je tu na fóre niekto, kto je v LYNXE a bol migrovaný do IBCE alebo niekto , kto je priamo u IB a bol migrovaný do IBIE? Aby som si potvrdil danú informáciu.
ano je to tak
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jan7925 napísal: Po 18 01, 2021 9:28 am Preco by mala byt dolezistost iba teoreticka?
Ked som si vyberal brokera pred asi 10-15 rokmi , tak ma zuijimali 2 veci
1) poplatky
2) poistka

Precitaj si celu diskusiu o migracii, uz sme na 7.strane, a kazdeho zaujima prevazne jedina vec a to garancia vysky vkladu.
SUhlasim s tebou s jednym : Lepsieho brokera ako IBUK asi niet , ale to sa neda povedat o IBIE a IBCE
IB EU nie su pobockami ale dcerami . To je obrovsky rozdiel . Takze z pohladu EU rezidentov , uplne novy broker ktory dostava technicku podporu od IBUK ale obsolutne ziadne financnu garanciu pre EU residentov od IBUK zatial nedostal.

Pozri si tastyworks tread, vela ludi tam migruje prave koli SIPC
Podla dostupnych informacii su IBUK, IBCE a IBIE dcerskymi firmami americkej IBKR.
Pre vyslvetlenie: pobocka v EU legislative by bola organizacka zlozka, ktora nema pravnu subjektivitu. Cize v pripade problemu org. zlozky za vsetko ruci materska firma. Takto mozu nechat dceru padnut do konkurzu.. a materskej firmy sa to nedotkne. Aj ked by to bol obrovsky problem porozdelovat majetok vzhladom na to prepojenie infrastruktury.. a brutalne by ich to reputacne poskodilo.

To ale nic nemeni na tom, ze EU ochranne schemy su pre investovanie celozivotnych uspor nedostatocne. IBCE je na tom z EU zrejme najlepsie. Neviem o inej krajine, kde by bola vyssia ochrana.
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a odkial by si o tej inej krajine ako slovak aj vedel ze... a co by ti to aj pomohlo :) treba robit s tym co je a neplakat nad tym co by mohlo byt
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pedro.v napísal: Po 18 01, 2021 8:55 am a kto z vas si otvaral ucet v Lynx/IB s tym ze ste vedeli ze to bude vedene v UK s nejakymi UK garanciami? Dosazitelnost slovaka na tieto garancie bola ajtak iba teoreticka tak sa moc nevzrusujte. Moc lepsich brokerov ako IB na svete nenajdete takze ziadnu paniku.
Na jednu stranu ano, vsechny pojistky vcetne fondu pojisteni vkladu jsou dost iluzorni, v momente, kedy padne velky hrac musi zasahnout i stat. Na stranu druhou, proc bych daval svuj kapital dobrovolne pod ochranu nasobne mensi nez mi umozni napriklad konkurencia v US? Jasne, vzdy to je a bude o kompromisoch no pre mna je a vzdy bude prioritna ochrana kapitalu, mozes mat ziskove pozicie ake len chces, ked nebudes klidne spavat a mat na ucte o vela viac nez ako ti v pripade ze sa nieco stane garantuje protistrana, zkratka toto je pre mna zaklad, ochrana kapitalu.

Apex Clearing (tastyworks' Clearing Firm) has arranged for additional coverage above the standard SIPC limits. This supplemental coverage provides protection for securities and cash up to an aggregate of $150 million, subject to maximum limits of $37.5 million for any one customer's securities and $900,000 for any one customer's cash.

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