Lynx, IB: Migrácia z IBUK na IBCE

[jan7925]

Tak isto ,ten presun do lynxu je dobry napad , namiesto platenia dani z CAD akcii
Ja sa cudujem ze si to necha zapadna EU , takto so sebou zamatat...
Ved presda maju vacsi kapital a verim ze viac nemcov robi na burze ako ludi z vychodnej EU
Ze si to nemci nechaju ...my slovaci nemame cisla na to , ani sumy na to aby sme cokolvek vybojovali.

[hokaido]

Tak isto ,ten presun do lynxu je dobry napad , namiesto platenia dani z CAD akcii

Do Lynxu nic nepresuniem, stale neotvaraju nove ucty kvoli brexitu.

[emeight]

TradeStation Global rovnako neotvara, hladeji zpusob no aktualne ucet neotevrou.

[elbigote]

Dobry den vospolok,
mal by som v ramci Lynx zmigrovat do IBEU Ireland, sucastou coho je treba suhlasit/zobrat na vedomie dalsich 19 ??? dokumentov/zmluv, medzi nimi je aj Global Financial Information Services Subscriber Agreement. U LynxBroker-a nemam predplatene live data a nemam o ne zaujem. Rozumiem tomu spravne, ze suhlasom s touto zmluvou sa zavazujem k odoberaniu tychto dat za poplatok? Chape tejto zmluve niekto na fore rovnako?
Dakujem za vas nazor.
E.

[Trumpeta1978]

nenasiel som ze by to bolo povinne, kde to ma byt uvedene?
https://www.lynxbroker.com/media/doc/IB ... NT_ENG.pdf

[elbigote]

je to uz na konci, ked by som to mal cele "podpisat" svojim menom a priezviskom, vyzera ako ten dokument na ktory odkazuje Trumpeta1978:

pre istotu to sem kopirujem tak ako sa mi to zobrazuje na tej finalnej obrazovke:

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[elbigote]

tiez som si vsimol, ze v tom lynx video navode (https://youtu.be/QFZ2t7ZC0Ek) k migracii uctu maju "len" 15 dokumentov/zmluv, avsak ja ich tam mam 19, samozrejme okrem tych, ktore su na uplne prvej strane, vid priloha

[elbigote]

cize mne z toho vychadza, ze ked musim dat suhlas en bloc k vsetkym dohromady 20+ dokumentom, tak musim suhlasit aj s tymto.

[Trumpeta1978]

mne to z toho uplne jasne stale nie je, bolo by najlepsie sa na to spytat na helpdesku

[pedro.v]

https://ibkr.info/node/2830

je tu niekto koho uz Lynx zmigroval z UK do IRL?

[Trumpeta1978]

IBKR offers eligible clients the option of receiving a real-time price quote for a single instrument on a request basis.

z tohto to nevyzera ze by predplatné real time dát bolo povinné

[pedro.v]

jasne ze to nie je povinne

[elbigote]

poslal som vcera mail na support lynxbroker.

ale aha, ok, pozrel som sa aj ja do mojich nezmigrovanych lynx/ib user_setttings ako pise george1, mam tam GFIS Global subscriptions akurat, tak to vyzera v poriadku potom s tou GFIS subscriber agreement. Ani som nevedel, ze tam mam prave GFIS, vdaka

[Dandy25]

Lynx tu trocha detailnejsie zhrnul zmeny ktore sa tykaju ochrany uctu po migracii :

https://www.lynxbroker.sk/brexit-migrac ... uctu-ibie/

Ak som tomu spravne pochopil nase investicie su ulozene u rovnakych depozitarov ako aj pod IBUK, v pripade hroziaceho bankrotu IBIE je tam naznacene ze IBKR pomoze svojimi 8,5 miliardami USD ktore ma ako vlastny kapital. A kedze pouzivame rovnaku platformu na zadavanie prikazov, assety su u rovnakych depozitarov nedokazem si predstavit ako by mohlo dojst k podvodu len zo strany IBIE. Ak by sa cely IBKR ukazal ako jeden obrovsky podvod tak by som bol zvedavy ako SIPC so svojimi par miliardami pokryje 232 miliard ktore su pod spravou IBKR

[jan7925]

"v pripade hroziaceho bankrotu IBIE je tam naznacene ze IBKR pomoze svojimi 8,5 miliardami USD ktore ma ako vlastny kapital."

To je ale iba nazor LYNXU
Nechapem ako si moze LYNX dovolit napisat taku blbost.
LYNX pise co im pasuje aby ukludnil klientov
LYNX napise ze IBIE nema z pravneho hladiska nic spolocne s IBUK a hned k tomu dopise ,ze ich zachrania.
Na to aby to bola pravda to by musel povedat IBUK a musel by si to podpisat aby to bolo platne.

IBUK vobec nemusi zachranit EU pobocky . Ked IBUK zisti ze robit biznis v EU je extremne tazke , tak ich pusti dole vodou a sustredi sa na trh kde su britske firmy vytane. Bude ale zalezat co sa stalo , co sposobili bankrot, ci to bol podvod alebo pomale konanie regulatorov alebo EU zakony ktore znemoznovali efektivne riadit EU pobocky.

Uz teraz je vidiet ako sa IBUK agresivne sprava ku svojim EU klientom. Ich emaily s migraciou su stale zastrasujuce a ich pozuzivanie slov : " MAYBE, WE MAY CONCIDER, YOU MAY NOT" uz ide na nervy ....Nech napisu WILL alebo shall a nie MAY.
Neverte LYNX a ich bludom , keby IBUK zalezalo na EU klientom dali by Lloyd insurance aspon.
IBUK vie co robi a dobre vidi ako sa EU k nim chova a uvedumoje si ten obrovsky risk ,ani nie tak zo strany interneych pracovnikov z hladiska podvodu ale zo strany EU politikov. Tam podla mna vidi IBUK nestabilitu a preto nedali extra zaruky ani poistenia.

[jan7925]

Jenina istota lezi v tom , kde su zapisanae akcie kupene cez IB EU . Pokial su ozaj zapisane v tej istej banke aku ma IBUK tam aspon to dava pocit bezpecia.

[pedro.v]

a kto z vas si otvaral ucet v Lynx/IB s tym ze ste vedeli ze to bude vedene v UK s nejakymi UK garanciami? Dosazitelnost slovaka na tieto garancie bola ajtak iba teoreticka tak sa moc nevzrusujte. Moc lepsich brokerov ako IB na svete nenajdete takze ziadnu paniku.

[jan7925]

Preco by mala byt dolezistost iba teoreticka?
Ked som si vyberal brokera pred asi 10-15 rokmi , tak ma zuijimali 2 veci
1) poplatky
2) poistka

Precitaj si celu diskusiu o migracii, uz sme na 7.strane, a kazdeho zaujima prevazne jedina vec a to garancia vysky vkladu.
SUhlasim s tebou s jednym : Lepsieho brokera ako IBUK asi niet , ale to sa neda povedat o IBIE a IBCE
IB EU nie su pobockami ale dcerami . To je obrovsky rozdiel . Takze z pohladu EU rezidentov , uplne novy broker ktory dostava technicku podporu od IBUK ale obsolutne ziadne financnu garanciu pre EU residentov od IBUK zatial nedostal.

Pozri si tastyworks tread, vela ludi tam migruje prave koli SIPC

[pedro.v]

Dostal som zaujímavú informáciu. Klienti LYNXU boli migrovaný do IBIE a klienti priamo u IB boli migrovaní do IBCE. Je tu na fóre niekto, kto je v LYNXE a bol migrovaný do IBCE alebo niekto , kto je priamo u IB a bol migrovaný do IBIE? Aby som si potvrdil danú informáciu.

ano je to tak

[andre]

Preco by mala byt dolezistost iba teoreticka?
Ked som si vyberal brokera pred asi 10-15 rokmi , tak ma zuijimali 2 veci
1) poplatky
2) poistka

Precitaj si celu diskusiu o migracii, uz sme na 7.strane, a kazdeho zaujima prevazne jedina vec a to garancia vysky vkladu.
SUhlasim s tebou s jednym : Lepsieho brokera ako IBUK asi niet , ale to sa neda povedat o IBIE a IBCE
IB EU nie su pobockami ale dcerami . To je obrovsky rozdiel . Takze z pohladu EU rezidentov , uplne novy broker ktory dostava technicku podporu od IBUK ale obsolutne ziadne financnu garanciu pre EU residentov od IBUK zatial nedostal.

Pozri si tastyworks tread, vela ludi tam migruje prave koli SIPC

Podla dostupnych informacii su IBUK, IBCE a IBIE dcerskymi firmami americkej IBKR.
Pre vyslvetlenie: pobocka v EU legislative by bola organizacka zlozka, ktora nema pravnu subjektivitu. Cize v pripade problemu org. zlozky za vsetko ruci materska firma. Takto mozu nechat dceru padnut do konkurzu.. a materskej firmy sa to nedotkne. Aj ked by to bol obrovsky problem porozdelovat majetok vzhladom na to prepojenie infrastruktury.. a brutalne by ich to reputacne poskodilo.

To ale nic nemeni na tom, ze EU ochranne schemy su pre investovanie celozivotnych uspor nedostatocne. IBCE je na tom z EU zrejme najlepsie. Neviem o inej krajine, kde by bola vyssia ochrana.

[pedro.v]

a odkial by si o tej inej krajine ako slovak aj vedel ze... a co by ti to aj pomohlo treba robit s tym co je a neplakat nad tym co by mohlo byt

[emeight]

a kto z vas si otvaral ucet v Lynx/IB s tym ze ste vedeli ze to bude vedene v UK s nejakymi UK garanciami? Dosazitelnost slovaka na tieto garancie bola ajtak iba teoreticka tak sa moc nevzrusujte. Moc lepsich brokerov ako IB na svete nenajdete takze ziadnu paniku.

Na jednu stranu ano, vsechny pojistky vcetne fondu pojisteni vkladu jsou dost iluzorni, v momente, kedy padne velky hrac musi zasahnout i stat. Na stranu druhou, proc bych daval svuj kapital dobrovolne pod ochranu nasobne mensi nez mi umozni napriklad konkurencia v US? Jasne, vzdy to je a bude o kompromisoch no pre mna je a vzdy bude prioritna ochrana kapitalu, mozes mat ziskove pozicie ake len chces, ked nebudes klidne spavat a mat na ucte o vela viac nez ako ti v pripade ze sa nieco stane garantuje protistrana, zkratka toto je pre mna zaklad, ochrana kapitalu.

Apex Clearing (tastyworks' Clearing Firm) has arranged for additional coverage above the standard SIPC limits. This supplemental coverage provides protection for securities and cash up to an aggregate of $150 million, subject to maximum limits of $37.5 million for any one customer's securities and $900,000 for any one customer's cash.

https://tastyworks.freshdesk.com/suppor ... rotection-

[jan7925]

a odkial by si o tej inej krajine ako slovak aj vedel ze... a co by ti to aj pomohlo treba robit s tym co je a neplakat nad tym co by mohlo byt

No, ved sa snazime najst riesenie. Preco sa vzdavat pre debilnu EU birokraciu. Na to tu sme aby sme pomahali a nasli riesenie.

Momentalne risenie je asi take , komu ide i SIPC and lloyds insurance
1) otvorit ucet v tasty works na long term investovanie a presunut tam akcie z IBUK
-to je ale problematicke ked mate margin pozicku z IBUK na long term investovanie, kedze tasty ma az okolo 7% urok.
-pokial nemate margin loan , tak vam to je jedno
2) zmigrovat cast uctu z IBUK do madarska ,ked sa da koli nizkemu margin rate a kedze maju do 100,000 EUR tak to na trading asi staci vacsine ludi.
3) nerusit IBUK ale iba presunut akcie alebo cast do tastyworks alebo IBCE a dufat ze sa legislativa zmeni a ti , co uz maju ucty v IBUK tam nakoniec budu moct ostat.

[pedro.v]

ja teda neviem ako tu vacsina ludi co ma s tymi garanciami problem investuje ale je rozdiel mat kupene akcie a mat cash na ucte. Ak riesis len akcie ja si myslim ze ked nedrzis cash tak pripadny broker fail musis ajtak spravit claim na SIPC takze je jedno ci ti da IBCE garanciu 20k alebo 200k lebo ta garancia sa bude tykat len penazi ktore su v dany cas u brokera ako cash na ucet. Pri meach a komoditach to ale ide mimo SIPC takze tu su zrejme urcite obavy na mieste ale ozaj co s tym chcete robit ine ako ist inemu brokerovi? Ajtak to urobi len minimum ludi. Zmena vzdy boli.
Jan7925 konecne to niekto pekne zhrnul

A teraz k veci. Je tu niekto z Lynx accountom co uz bol zmigrovany?

[andre]

a odkial by si o tej inej krajine ako slovak aj vedel ze... a co by ti to aj pomohlo treba robit s tym co je a neplakat nad tym co by mohlo byt

Sa tomu tak trochu pracovne venujem. Ta schema, ktoru malo IBUK bola pre retail v EU jedinecna tj. ochrana v UK aj US.

Aj Nemci a Rakusaci maju ochranu len minimalnu podla EU smernice tj. 90% z 20 000Eur.
https://einlagensicherung.de/anlegerent ... umfang_ae/
https://www.einlagensicherung.at/anleger.php

Aj ked niektore nemecke sporitelne maju navyse ochranu vramci ich zdruzeni.. niektore napr. na peniaze do neobmedzenej vysky. Investicie som nestudoval ako maju riesene. Ale to je nadstandard nad zakone poziadavky.

[jan7925]

s tym SIPC by ma tak isto zaujimalo , ze ked padne IBCE stahuje sa na nas SIPC? V pripade ze mam USA akcie.
Ale vela slovakov ma tak isto UCITS, na nich sa asi nevztahuje SIPC
Niekto tu uz asi pisal ze NIE, ze SIPS aj napriek tomu ze mas USA akcie sa nevztahuje na EU residentov.
to mal info od IBUK support asi , alebo z lynx...

A ty ked robis s komoditami ,tak teba asi musi trapit iba riziko straty hotovosti v pripade krachu, kedze tvoje futures ti ukradnut asi nemozu .
Zatial co akcie zapisane v bankach sa stratit mozu , ci uz podvodom alebo nejakou blbou chybou , kedze je vsetko elektronicky vedene.
Nato vlastne asi aj je to SIPS aj na vklady hotovosti.

[mapper]

A teraz k veci. Je tu niekto z Lynx accountom co uz bol zmigrovany?

dnes mi Lynx support povedal ze nevedia datum este

[stock12]

od používateľa pedro.v » Po 01 18, 2021 11:27 am

A teraz k veci. Je tu niekto z Lynx accountom co uz bol zmigrovany?

vcera som dal suhlas s migraciou uctu u lynxu a dnes mi prisiel email "Potvrzení o udělení souhlasu s migrací vašeho účtu" s tym ze "V nejbližších týdnech vás budeme e-mailem informovat o datu, kdy bude migrace uskutečněna."

migracia bude do IBIE

[hokaido]

Ta schema, ktoru malo IBUK bola pre retail v EU jedinecna tj. ochrana v UK aj US.

Presne tak. RIP.
IBEU su prakticky brokeri, co vznikli vcera, v pripade problemov nie je ziadna garancia, ze materska firma sa rozhodne ich zachranit. Tiez treba doplnit, ze americka firma IB je kotovana aj na burze, co zmamena aj vyssi dohlad nad jej cinnostou ako nad privatnymi.

s tym SIPC by ma tak isto zaujimalo , ze ked padne IBCE stahuje sa na nas SIPC? V pripade ze mam USA akcie.
Ale vela slovakov ma tak isto UCITS, na nich sa asi nevztahuje SIPC
Niekto tu uz asi pisal ze NIE, ze SIPS aj napriek tomu ze mas USA akcie sa nevztahuje na EU residentov.
to mal info od IBUK support asi , alebo z lynx...

V minulosti som bol v tom, ze na tie UCITS sa SIPC nevztahoval, ale potom mi ludia tu na fore vysvetlili, ze ak to kupil broker, ktory je clenom SIPC tak sa to vztahuje aj na ne. Kedze ale MY budeme v IB EU, ktore nie su clenom SIPC, tak sa na nas tato ochrana nevztahuje. Budeme mat tych 20k resp 100k do vysky 90%. Na cash by mala byt ochrana 100k podla EU regulacie.
Ta ochrana tam je preto, ak by tebe vznikla skoda vo forme straty instrumentov. Ale ak len skrachuje broker a nerobil nic nekale, za nejaky cas sa dostanes k svojim nakupenym instrumentom, lebo su ulozene u depozitara na tvoje meno. Ak ale napr nejaky zamestnanci IB, pod tvojim menom predali tvoje instrumenty, tak sa dopustaju podvodu a potom uz tu ochranu potrebujes. Potom ten cas kedy sa dostanes k tvojim assetom bude dlhsi ako v prvom pripade.

Tiez je dobre si uvedomit, ze je to 90%. Cize ak tam budes mat zainvestovane 10k a prides o vsetko, spat dostanes len 9k.
Zaujimalo by ma, ako si budes narokovat chybajuce akcie, kedze u depozitara ich mat nebudes a jediny dokaz co budes mat, budu tvoje elektronicke vypisy, ktorych si vies vygenerovat tisic.

Cez vikend som zalozil ticket v IB, co s assetmi, ktore su v mene, ktore su v IBCE nepodporovane. Budem vas potom informovat, ked mi odpisu.

[andre]

Na cash by mala byt ochrana 100k podla EU regulacie.

To sa tyka len bank, to je iny garancny fond, podla ineho zakona/smernice.

Tiez je dobre si uvedomit, ze je to 90%. Cize ak tam budes mat zainvestovane 10k a prides o vsetko, spat dostanes len 9k.
Zaujimalo by ma, ako si budes narokovat chybajuce akcie, kedze u depozitara ich mat nebudes a jediny dokaz co budes mat, budu tvoje elektronicke vypisy, ktorych si vies vygenerovat tisic.

Cez vikend som zalozil ticket v IB, co s assetmi, ktore su v mene, ktore su v IBCE nepodporovane. Budem vas potom informovat, ked mi odpisu.

Realne dostanes aj nejaku cast z toho ostatneho, teda ak ostane nieco pre dlznikov po konkurze. Aj "investori" do BMG dostali spat nejake %

[hokaido]

To sa tyka len bank, to je iny garancny fond, podla ineho zakona/smernice.

Cash teda v tych 20k ani nie je?

[andre]

je, tyka sa to vsetkeho co mas u brokera.

1. Ochrana klientskeho majetku sa podľa zákona o cenných papieroch vzťahuje na a) peňažné prostriedky a finančné nástroje fyzických osôb vrátane fyzických osôb podnikateľov a právnických osôb ustanovených zákonom o cenných papieroch zverené osobe zúčastnenej na ochrane klientov v súvislosti s vykonaním investičnej služby..

Pre info:
Garancny fond investicii https://www.garancnyfond.sk ochrana do 50 000Eur a 100%, co je na pomery EU tiez nadstandard.
Fond ochrany vkladov (banky) https://www.fovsr.sk/ ochrana do 100 000Eur, ako v celej EU.

[capitalcapital]

Akurát mi prišla info že ma premigrovali (Lynx do IBIE, presun som potvrdil 6.1.)
Vtipná poznámka v maily:
Po novom je na váš účet aplikovaný írsky systém odškodnenia, ktorý má limit až 20 000 EUR. Viac informácií o kompenzačnej investičnej schéme nájdete https://www.lynxbroker.sk/brexit-migrac ... uctu-ibie/.

[pedrito]

Akurát mi prišla info že ma premigrovali (Lynx do IBIE, presun som potvrdil 6.1.)

Mne ten mail z Lynxu prisiel tiez, ale ked sa nalogujem do spravy uctu, tak:
* vidim hlasku Migration in progress
* po odkliknuti je vsetko po starom (stare cislo uctu, a stale tam vidim aj open order ktory sa pri migracii ma zrusit).

Takze z toho vyvodzujem, ze Lynx poslal "nespravny" mail zo zoznamu predpripravenych mailov. Asi mali poslat mail o tom, ze migracia je pripravena na realizaciu, a nie ze uz prebehla.

Tebe/vam ta migracia uz naozaj prebehla? (teda je vidiet nove cislo uctu po prihlaseni?)

[pedrito]

Update: dnes uz vidim, ze migracia do IBIE naozaj prebehla.

[andre]

ja uz nedokazem na ziadnom ucte nic kupit (este som nepotvrdil migraciu). Vypise mi to " Brexit Restriction: You are restricted to closing orders pending a response to our transfer invite“..

[jan7925]

TO ISTE- restricted to closing orders only due to brexit - cez IBUK

[nonpayer]

Nebudem tu zakladat novu temu, tak sa spytam tu.
Aky je vlastne rozdiel v Interactive Brokers a Lynx?
Chapem, ze Lynx je vlastne sprostredkovatel pre Interactive Brokers, ale v com je vlastne vyhoda pre Slovaka/Cecha zalozit si ucet v Lynxe a nie priamo v IB? Je ta vyhoda len v podpore v nasom jazyku a v obchodnej platforme Lynx Basic lokalizovanej v nasom jazyku? Cele Lynx mi pride aj tak ako taka skomolenina, nieco je prelozene, nieco je v anglictine. Uchadza mi pointa, preco som si ja a aj ini nezalozili ucet priamo v IB, kde su nizsie poplatky...

[Trumpeta1978]

nonpayer

napr aj niektore poplatky su ine v Lynx a ine priamo v IB

[jason]

ako dlho trvala migracia do IBIE (lynx) od potvrdenia suhlasu?